Jim Thorpe Marathon Reviews

  Garmin or Mile Markers: what can you trust?

By GW about 2024

Review

2024 race had a fatal flaw: the mile markers starting from mile-20 to mile-24 were misplaced and unfortunately, they were inflated. RD and FAQ repeatedly warn runners that there is no signal in the Gorge so runners must rely on mile markers. But since this is a state part, mile markers can not be made permanent and every year, they need to reproduce the mile markers from the GPS coordinates in the course report. If there is no GPS signals in the Gorge, then even the mile positions in the course report is questionable, and the reproduction is certainly prone to errors. GPS however, works decently, because it doesn't need any specific location to receive GPS signal, only enough locations provided the course doesn't make too many sharp turns. My Garmin matched mile marker quite well, and around mile-15, my GPS was about 0.1 miles long, completely normal. But mile-20 was extremely short, my GPS reading shrank to 19.78 at mile-20. For 4 more miles, this was not corrected and I started to believe the mile markers as RD told us and adjusted my pace to ensure a 1 minute under Chicago Q finish. At Mile marker 24, I only need to run a 9 pace to make Chicago Q time but I ended up missing it by 54 seconds. Because mile-25 was very long, probably 1.2 or 1.3, and there was no time to make up the time after I realized mile-25 and mile-26 were making up for the inflated miles earlier. Based on Mile-24 marker, I ran 9:25 pace in the last 2.22 miles, based on my GPS, I ran 8:32 pace in the last 2.35 miles. The last 2.22 miles were in an open area with good signals, so the only explanation is Mile-24 was actually mile-23.8 or so. This completely ruined the race for me. I contact RD and he has promised to double check the last few miles next year so hopefully this won't happen again. I should mention he doesn't believe there was an error but it is possible to have an error because the mile markers cannot be make permanent. My pacer friend also noticed the extremely short mile-20 and that it was super long from mile-24 to finish. She is much more experienced than I am.

Race Tips

1. Do not listen to the FAQ or the RD that your GPS won't work. It works decently even in the Gorge and in 2024 at least, much better than mile markers. Cross reference your watch and mile markers and maybe use the tougher reading to guide your pacing. My garmin logged 26.36 total distance and matched mile markers for 18 miles until mile markers became more unreliable.

2. You have an option to start at 7:15 or 8:00, if it is hot, start early, if weather is nice and cool, take the train, but there is little time between train arrival and 8:00 to use porta john and to warm up.

3. Since there are early start, if you started at 8:00, maintain your pace and don't follow runners you catch up with. They might be slower runners that started earlier.

Logistical Tips (Hotels, Restaurants, Parking, Discounts, etc.)

Recommended hotels are all in Jim Thorpe. There are many hotels near White Haven, the start line as well. Look into them and you can get more sleep. We didn't realize this until too late though.

  Perfect Course for a PR

By EP about 2024

Review

Take note: The race organizers listened to feedback and moved this race to late April. Some of the previous reviews complaining about the heat were back when the race was run in late May. Even in April you can get some hot days. this year the overnight low on race day was high 40s. The day prior it was high 30s. The day after it was high 50s! The weather is the main factor here. Everything else that the organizers can control for, they've done an excellent job with.

Not only is the race a net downhill, there are literally 2 sharp corners on the ENTIRE 26 mile course. I guess it makes sense when you think about the fact that trains don't corner well and this is an old rail trail. But let that sink in for a minute. How many city marathons have you done where the course makes dozens of 90 degree or sharper turns through intersections, over curbs, etc forcing you to slow your speed. This race has none of that. Just gentle curves that play out over hundres of feet as you gradually wind your way along the trails.

Keep in mind, the surface is hard packed, crushed gravel. Which might not be for everyone but it didn't bother me at all. There were a couple of small sections where it's been churned up and then it's more the consistency of a sandbox which is terrible to run on. But my experience was that those sections were short, like only a few feet here or there and were avoidable if you wanted to angle to the side of the wide trail where it was less traveled and still hard packed. Other than that the course is an absolute dream and just as advertised.

The start is low key with a decent amount of parking if you arrive early. If you don't take the train you can start at 7:15 or anytime after (it's a rolling start) which is nice and takes a lot of the stress out of things. There's also an option for an 8:00 start but this year the majority of the runners looking to run a fast time, opted for the early start to avoid the hotter temps.

There were mile markers every mile and despite what the race website tells you, my gps tracked the course very accurately. The aid stations were basic but sufficient.

If you're main concern is a fast course to set a PR or Boston time and don't care about the bells and whistles of a big city marathon, I highly recommend the Jim Thorpe marathon.

  Good downhill course, poorly organized

By James about 2021

Review

Great course. Ground was hard packed dirt/gravel. Downhill all the way with 1% degree/angle. Good amount of shade first 17 miles or so, but last 6-7 miles no shade really. Water stations every 2 miles.

Not sure late May in the Poconos is ideal for marathon. Temperature started at 66 in the morning with 77% humidity, by mile 16/17 temperature was over 75 and over 88% humidity/dew point over 65. Felt hotter with sun blazing.

Race Tips

I would bring sunglasses and a hat if it's sunny. I would run course in the fall when it's maybe cooler. Temperature by 10:30am May 23,2021 was 80 degrees, 90% humidity.

Logistical Tips (Hotels, Restaurants, Parking, Discounts, etc.)

Inn at Jim Thorpe was OK, a little better than a motel, but good location because it's close to the finish. And, you don't have to worry about parking.

  Gradual, scenic, downhill course

By AL about 2021

Review

Likes/Positives: terrain is hard packed gravel for most of the course, scenic, very gradual downhill, barely noticeable downhill and mostly flat. Last 7 miles of the course there isn't much shade. Point to point marathon, easy to get to for the most part. Course itself is straightforward, felt flat even though it was net downhill. In cooler conditions/climate, good place to PR and BQ (qualify for Boston). Relatively small marathon. No Pace groups or leaders.

Dislikes/Negatives: for 2021 it was a bit disorganized - weather forecast was over 80 degrees week before, and with the sun rising at 5:30AM they started at 7AM instead of 6AM. An elite runner who was pacing for a 2:45 marathon finish became unconscious at mile 25 or so because of a heat stroke. Late May for a marathon in NJ, PA, NY, CT is risky. The Boston Marathon, Eugene Marathon, and others are held in April for a reason. Because of Covid, they set up water bottles and Gatorade bottles instead of cups which was a little bit of a challenge.

Race Tips

I would bring sunglasses and a hat if the sun is out and hot humid. I would also dump the water bottles on top of your head in order for your body to cool down. Running in the Northeast during late spring will be humid.

Logistical Tips (Hotels, Restaurants, Parking, Discounts, etc.)

The Inn at Jim THorpe was OKAY. It was a little better than staying at a Howard Johnson.

  2021 -- great experience; well organized race

By Anonymous about 2021

Review

The course was straight forward. The first two miles were out-and-back (mile out/mile back) on the D&L rail trail. The course then briefly went though the small town of White Haven before merging onto the D&L Trail to the finish line. The aid stations were well stocked (appox. every two miles). Miles 1-19ish were mostly shady, and there was a lot of open sunlight from miles 19ish through the finish. The course mostly follows the Lehigh River, and it is quite beautiful.

Race Tips

The course is standard rail trail fine gravel and compacted dirt. It's easy to navigate and impossible to get lost. There is a fairly decent amount of bicycle traffic on the course.

Logistical Tips (Hotels, Restaurants, Parking, Discounts, etc.)

Note: there were porta potties at the train departure area/finish line, and at the starting line. There were very limited bathrooms on the train ride to the start line (with fairly decent wait times). Keep in mind that when departing the train, most runners headed straight for the porta potties at the starting line (very common marathon experience). I'd recommend hitting the bathroom before hopping on the train.